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Ben Parker from the bulwark, President Trump just had an Oval Office meeting with Cyril Ramaphosa,

and wow is all I can say. Just wow. Here to try to make sense of what just happened is a friend of the

bulwark, Holly Berkeley Fletcher, who was not only raised in Kenya, but also was an Africa analyst for

the CIA for a very long time and knows more about African politics than I will ever forget.

So first question, based on that bonkers Oval Office meeting, Holly, who is the president of

Africa?

The president of Africa?

I think that's me.

I think I'm the president of Africa.

I mean, if it's an open job, I'll take it, right?

Don't I get free travel and free wine?

I've brought some South African wine here.

I'm just looking at my notes here.

And the president repeatedly said that, you know, he had a great meeting with Africa.

And he said, referring to Africa, a lot of countries don't have the land

value that you have. So that's a great way to start out. That's what I made out of all of that.

But I heard lots of, there's a lot of death in Africa. And I heard that there's a lot of actually

valuable land in Africa.

Yeah. So this was a meeting with Cyril Ramaphosa, the president of South Africa, which is actually a

country. It's a country, a good, a real country, for real. Democracy. Yeah. Holly,

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