Hi everybody. I'm Ashley Banfield and this is Drop Dead serious. I have not been able to stop thinking

about Brian Coburger's new life. I get it. It's not like he hasn't already been locked up for the last two and a half years.

However, I will say this, things are very, very different, both physically and mentally.

When you get sent away to a state prison or a federal prison for the rest of your life,

it is very different.

There's so many things that I've learned over the course of my, I don't know, three, four decades who's counting in this business.

But when I met Larry Levine, I started to learn way more than I thought existed about prison life

because Larry has lived it.

He's been in 11 different institutions.

And he took his knowledge when he got out and he did what we all hope, you know, inmates will do.

Make something of your life, right?

He did. He made something of his life.

And he runs a business now where he trains people who are going to prison for how to be an

inmate, right? How to get through the system. What to expect. What not to fear, what to fear.

Like the Martha Stewart's of the world love this guy because they don't know what's coming

and Larry knows. And um Larry has a business called

Wall Street Prison Consultants and he has written a couple of books very good books

latest one is prison politics 101 mastering the art of survival the book before that was

lies my lawyer told me and when I thought about Brian Koberger's new life, post-admitting and confessing to his

horrendous murders of those four kids in Idaho, I wondered what's it going to be like for him,

not only day to day, but day one, night one, but I also wondered psychologically what it takes and what, what, what hits

you? You're like, what goes through your mind when you are facing the rest of your life in a box,

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