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Do you seek validation from others by putting yourself out there

really massively to try and keep everything happy?

And then when somebody changes that dynamic

and attacks you, you feel really hurt

because there is that part of you that just wants to keep things nice.

Yeah, absolutely.

Hello and welcome to How Did We Get Here

where me, Claudia Winckman and my brilliant friend,

clinical psychologist, Professor Tarnie Byron,

address challenges people are facing with their nearest and dearest.

In each episode, we record a phase-to-phase session

with me listening in from another studio in the breaks

and at the end I asked Tarn why she went down certain routes.

This time we meet Emma.

She's 47 and has a very supportive husband and two children, age 9 and 7.

Emma has ongoing issues with her brother, who she says hates her.

He's four years older than her and lives in America.

Emma and her brother had a particularly bad falling out two years ago at Christmas

but she thinks the animosity goes much further back.

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