"I Mourn With You Too" | Psychologist Reacts to Lori Vallow Daybell's Final Sentencing

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Hidden True Crime

True Crime, Society & Culture, News Commentary, Documentary, News

4.8 • 1.9K Ratings

🗓️ 27 July 2025

⏱️ 141 minutes

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**This episode was recorded live** The victims spoke. Lori did too. And the judge didn’t hold back. Dr. John Matthias analyzes the psychology behind it all—what Lori said, what she didn’t, and what it means. About Hidden True Crime: What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling. Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Hello, hidden true crime.
0:02.0	Hello, hidden gems.
0:04.0	We, or I am live from Phoenix, Arizona,
0:08.0	where I just attended the sentencing of Lori Ballot-Dabell,
0:13.0	the second sentencing that I have attended for her,
0:16.0	this time for the murder of her, then-husband Charles Vallow, and the attempted murder of Brandon Boudreau.
0:24.9	This is Hidden True Crime. I am with my co-host and my husband also. I never know what to introduce
0:32.7	you as. Dr. John Matthias, he is a clinical and forensic psychologist, and he has assessed criminals for decades.
0:41.3	And this is a case that we have covered from the very beginning.
0:46.8	In fact, as we watched the victim impact statements, John from our home and me inside the courtroom,
0:55.5	we were watching many of our friends.
1:02.1	We were watching their pain and their sorrow of people that we have gotten to know and care about as they shared their grief.
1:04.4	And it was really heart-wrenching.
1:08.3	And this was just hours ago, and I'm actually still recovering a little bit.
1:13.1	So people actually, admittedly, I'll just say this,
1:16.0	complain that I've gotten too attached to this case emotionally.
1:17.4	Yeah, I have.
1:18.8	I have.
1:22.0	And I felt that in the courtroom today.
1:25.5	And so, yeah.
1:28.5	And John, I would love to hear your take.
1:31.2	You watched it from home from the court TV.
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