A podcast listener named Elisa, with a historical connection to you, Pastor John, right

in to ask this, hello, Pastor John, thanks for your ministry over all these years.

Incidentally, we, that's her and her husband.

We met you when we were post-Stanford students attending Intervar City's Western Leadership

Conference sometime around 1985.

I was one of the worship leaders at the conference and vividly remembered you speaking on Christian

hedonism, a life-changing paradigm for us.

Now that we're empty nesters, my husband and I are asking the question, how do we spend

the next portion of our lives?

However, for better or worse, my dear husband is something of a perfectionist and doesn't

want to make a mistake in answering this important question.

So the question becomes this, when the stakes are so high, how do you not become paralyzed

with the fear of making a mistake in this huge decision?

I have to ask why, how can you be a perfectionist as an empty nester?

How can you live that long, you still be a perfectionist?

Well anyway, he is, so we get to deal with this.

So Elisa, this is wonderful to be reminded of those days at Stanford.

I remember them and I remember them pretty clearly for reasons that are not altogether

positive because I remember that the leader of the university group and I were moving in

different directions it seemed, I'm going to close with that in just a few minutes and

apply that to your situation.

So here are the things that come to my mind and I'm exactly in your situation, you're younger

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