This Charlottesville thing. We know that's one of the chief debunked hoaxes.

But yet it's a it's a hoax that unbelievably, someone whose dignity and eloquence and I admired like so like millions of other people for years and years and years just repeated that hoax on the campaign trail for Kamala Harris.

That person's Barack Obama, President Obama just repeated that, which means he knowingly, knowing, and this is a hard thing for people to accept, he knowingly and deliberately took a lie based on racial hatred and broadcasted it to millions of people.

And that to me is, it's again beyond dishonest.

Folks, that is Jordan Bach, who I discovered on X, and this is why I highly encourage

you to subscribe to this podcast.

Please subscribe so that the episodes just show up automatically for you

because you don't want to miss people like this. You are going to, I hope, really appreciate

this interview. It's one of the most satisfying interviews I've done on this podcast in the three

years we've been doing it. His name is Jordan Bach. On Twitter, he says, X, excuse me, seeking truth.

Quote, Jordan is one of the few voices you should listen to amidst the modern day

cacophony.

That's from the advocate.

He's a gay man who left the left.

He left the left.

He left the Democrat Party.

And he's going to explain very thoughtfully why he did that and how,

maybe more importantly, how he did it. He is seriously one of the most interesting people I've

interviewed and I can't wait for you to listen to Jordan Bach.

Well, Jordan, as often in my podcast, you and I just met about five minutes ago.

We've been chatting through our DMs on X, but I'm really pleased to have you.

I am often curious about people who have gone through some sort of evolution politically. And clearly you have. Your pinned tweet, if I may read it here, Jordan Bach,

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