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Hey everybody, this is Heidi St. John. Welcome back to the Busy Mom Podcast. I am excited

today because I have not in my closet in a different room of the house, which is odd

for me. It is odd. I almost want to know what to do. I'm not in my closet. I know.

I'm feeling a little discriminated against. I feel bad for you. I feel bad for you. We'll

work that out next time. Okay, that sounds good. But I have a dear friend of mine today on

the podcast with me, Rachel Carmen. Thank you. I am so happy that you're here. What a treat.

Yeah, well you actually kidnapped me. I'm actually in town with my daughter, but you

can't buy and pick me up and whisk me away. It's been a great afternoon. That's true.

We've had a great time. So the Pacific Northwest isn't, you know, what's your impression

so far? It's beautiful. It is glorious. You and I share a passion for ferns. We saw lots

of them today. Lots of them. The moss and the trees. The waterfall was glorious. It's

been a beautiful afternoon. It's beautiful up here. It's a great place to go. Wow, you

know, the creation speaks his name. Indeed. It absolutely does. All creation. This is

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