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Thanks for listening to the Red Wine and Blue podcast.

This week, instead of an episode of OK But Why, we're sharing a virtual event we recently held with a former Republican named Courtney.

She used to be a Trump voter,

but now she leads a Trouble Nation group in Pennsylvania. Courtney shared with us what changed her mind and how we can reach other MAGA voters. We always say that it's never too late for someone

to change their mind, but Courtney is proof that it

really is possible. We hope you enjoy this conversation.

My name is Courtney. I am a 34-year-old single mom who lives in Northeastern Pennsylvania.

I was born and raised here for the most part. I did move away twice to California, ironically,

but found my way back here. I was raised in a, when I say

very conservative, like that's an understatement. I always joke around and say like I was taught

to pray to God and Ronald Reagan. My father kept me and my sister's home for Ronald Reagan's funeral from school. I remember I was only 13 years old. And I really, really believed in what I was told in terms of those conservative values. My senior project was on why you should vote Republican. I wrote letters to Bill

O'Reilly when my school was facing closure. So that gives you a little bit of insight as to

how deeply I know, but more so understand the people that are still in alignment with the MAGA movement.

I don't really want to use the word the GOP because I think the GOP has kind of been what his

biggest manipulation tactic.

And that is where I am seeing the most progress in having healthy, productive

conversations is when I start to talk about that. And we'll get into that deeper into the slides.

We're here. Basically, I think most of us have people in our lives that we care about that are

still in the MAGA movement. I personally do. I can count on one

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