I Know Which Goon Trump Will Turn on Next: Wolff

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🗓️ 13 May 2026

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INCOGNI Deal: To get an exclusive 60% off an annual Incogni plan, go to https://incogni.com/beast #ad Michael Wolff and Daily Beast executive editor Hugh Dougherty trace the cracks spreading across Donald Trump’s world, from Wolff’s prediction that Marco Rubio is headed for a brutal fall after becoming too competent and too visible inside the administration, to Trump’s escalating crisis with Iran and a high-stakes trip to China that Wolff argues could end with America “giving away the store.” The conversation moves from inflation fears and the politics of populist collapse to why Trump’s obsession with spectacle may be colliding with geopolitical reality, before turning into a gripping deep dive on Wolff’s explosive new Jeffrey Epstein reporting, where he draws chilling parallels between Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump as two men obsessed with inventing myths about themselves. Along the way, they unpack Nigel Farage’s rise in the UK, Rupert Murdoch’s shadow influence, and why Wolff believes Trump remains dangerously incapable of listening, focusing, or handling the details of power even as the world’s biggest adversaries learn exactly how to play him. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	I think he's going to fire Marco Rubio.
0:02.0	I mean, Rubio has now become the standout figure in this administration.
0:09.0	When you become the contrast gainer against Donald Trump, you're finished.
0:15.0	When it begins to look like you are the person who is really in charge, you're done. You cannot do this around Donald
0:25.9	Trump. He just won't let you. He'll kill you. Just chop off your head.
0:33.9	Hi, I'm Michael Wolfe, where I'm here with you, Docherty. Joanna Coles is, I'm Michael Wolfe where I'm here with Hugh Docherty.
0:39.2	Joanna Coles is, I think, as most of you know, in the UK, in Yorkshire dealing with her
0:48.2	with her ailing mother.
0:50.9	So Hugh is filling in today.
0:52.9	And Hugh has just returned from the UK, where, so handicap
1:01.5	the Prime Minister. How long does he have? Does he have any time left at all? I think very
1:10.0	little. I think he's probably still prime minister while people are listening to this, but not for
1:18.4	very much longer.
1:20.1	Many of his ministers are resigning and urging him to go.
1:23.6	So there will be some sort of reckoning, I think, within the next few days.
1:29.7	So a few days, 24 hours, 72 hours, 48 hours, what do you think?
1:36.0	I would go for 78 hours, but don't go down Pauley Market yet.
1:41.6	72 hours.
1:42.5	His rival, Andy Burnham, has been spotted on a train, a moment like
1:48.1	Lennon in 1917. From the Finland station. So, in other words, but let's get, I want to pin you
1:59.1	down on this. He's done.
2:02.8	Oh, I don't think there's any doubt now.
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