I Keep Telling People We’re Living in This Dystopian Novel

The Ezra Klein Show

New York Times Opinion

News, Government, Society & Culture

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🗓️ 19 June 2026

⏱️ 78 minutes

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Summary

A hypervisual, looks-obsessed, wellness-crazed, postliterate society where we’re constantly staring at screens and evaluating one another based on metrics, as the country around us feels like it’s falling apart: That sounds like the world we live in. It’s also the world Gary Shteyngart created in his 2010 novel, “Super Sad True Love Story.” I’ve been thinking about the book a lot recently, especially with the rise of the “looksmaxxing” influencer Clavicular and the longevity guru Bryan Johnson, and this feeling that people are upset and agitated but grabbing at the wrong things to fix it. It feels uncannily like the experience of living inside Shteyngart’s novel. But Shteyngart isn’t just a dystopian prophet, he’s also an expert at living well amid the world’s darkness. His forthcoming book, “The Sensualist: Adventures in Pure Pleasure,” is an essay collection about his efforts to do exactly that. So I wanted to have Shteyngart on the show to understand how he predicted so many of the grimmer aspects of our present, but also how we might delight in the world’s “endless buffet of pleasure” in spite of them. This episode contains strong language. Note: We’re recording an "Ask Me Anything" episode soon. If you have a question, please email ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com using the subject like "AMA." We'd love to hear from you. Mentioned: “The End Point Of Viral Content” by Ryan Broderick “How Jokes Won the Election” by Emily Nussbaum “A Visit to Seoul Brings Our Writer Face-to-Face With the Future of Robots” by Gary Shteyngart The Intimate City by Michael Kimmelman “Don’t Just Take the Slow Road; Design It,” Commencement address at Wesleyan’s 194th Commencement Ceremony, Chris Murphy Book Recommendations: Men Like Ours by Bindu Bansinath A Tender Age by Chang-rae Lee Motherland by Julia Ioffe Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com. You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast, and you can find Ezra on Twitter @ezraklein. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs. This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Annie Galvin. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris with Mary-Marge Locker. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Johnny Simon. Our recording engineer is Johnny Simon. Our executive producer is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Marie Cascione, Rollin Hu, Kristin Lin, Emma Kehlbeck, Jack McCordick, Marina King and Jan Kobal. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Shannon Busta. The director of New York Times Opinion Shows is Annie-Rose Strasser.

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0:00.0	Before we begin today's show, we're going to be doing an Ask Me Anything episode quite soon.
0:04.6	So if you have any questions, email us at Ezra Klein Show at NYTimes.com with the headline AMA.
0:21.6	Thank you. I'm I'm I'm I'm
0:23.6	I'm Over the past six months, I keep telling people, we are living in Super Sad, True Love Story.
0:48.0	And sometimes I'll say to me, what was Super Sad True Love Story? What do you mean?
0:52.1	Super Sad True Love Story, if for some terrible reason you don't know, is a 2010 book by Gary
0:57.1	Steingart. And I think more than any other book, it predicted the strangeness of the world
1:04.0	we live in today. And also, a lot of what it feels like to live in it, all of the constant
1:10.8	staring at screens, the hyper-visual
1:14.9	nature of modern life, the obsession with wellness and longevity, and looks maxing amidst the backdrop
1:24.1	of a country that often feels like it's falling apart.
1:25.7	We are living in a time of profound corruption.
1:31.4	Inflation is hitting its highest point in three years.
1:34.8	A world where everybody is upset and they're grabbing it the wrong things to try to fix it.
1:43.8	I wanted to understand how the author of this book,
1:47.4	Gary Steingart, had predicted all this, how he had known what it was going to feel like
1:53.8	well into the future of when he was writing. Gary Steingard, of course, has written a number
1:58.5	of wonderful novels, including the Russian debutante's handbook, Absurdistan, and his most recent Vera or Faith.
2:04.7	He's also written all these amazing essays on travel and cruise ships and martinis and his love
2:10.4	of suits and watches.
2:12.3	Many of those essays will be collected in a new book coming out in November called The
2:15.5	Centralist.
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