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This is a global Player Original Podcast. Hello and I'm Vogue Williams.

Vogue Williams and Joanne McNally.

Hello, I'm Joanne McNally.

And I'm J

I'm Gwen McNally and he is Joe Atterwell. We still haven't established how to pronounce this surname but it's too late to ask him now.

Now you're close enough, that's close enough you know.

Is it? Actually well. Yeah, yeah. now you're close enough that's close enough you know is this actually well yeah yeah can I be

honest I think the fact that we know his second name is enough because I I have a business

partner in

Oh yeah hashtag honored 100% I have a business partner in

bare by vogue and I was I was looking to get bear by vogue in dunes at one point and I was talking to one of the owners of Duns

because I bumped into her in holiday and she was like what's your what's a second name?

And I was like Jesus Christ I had him on my phone as Kiron Tan and I never knew a second name.

And it was only when she asked me, I was like, yeah, I don't know that actually, you know,

I actually don't know.

I would say, I did a therapist in as Rachel Mental because she looked after my mental health and then I was trying to

rev her money and I was like I've been with her for years and I was like I'm terribly sorry Rachel mental what is your

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