This is Rumblestrip. I'm Erica Heilman, and I'm back for the second time today. This morning,

I launched a show called A Springtime Show about the economy that partly explains why we feel ashamed.

It features a wonderful listener in Scotland, who's a money manager, and she made some great comments

about the last class series.

So I asked her if she would be willing to share some of these thoughts on the phone, and she was

willing. So that conversation is this morning story. One of the stories that she was reacting to

from the last series was about a person called Kay, who feels a lot of shame because she never has enough money.

And one of the things that we explored in the conversation this morning is that shame and some of the reasons why today's economy creates this shame.

Anyway, a couple hours after I launched that show, I got this incredible voice memo from Kay.

And since the whole point of this series is to get people talking about class, I figured I would air it here with Kay's permission.

I recommend that you listen to this morning story before you listen to this reaction.

But in any case, here is Kay.

Hi, good morning. I just finished the episode with the Scottish economist. And really good, really good.

I don't like listening to anyone talk about finances or the economy.

But that was a good one.

I do have some thoughts.

I primarily want to tell you about these marshmallows that we were taught as a kid.

So when I was in school, I think it was second grade.

I think it was Miss Llewellyn.

We were taught about these marshmallows that like in the 70s or something,

there was this experiment done on children where they put a kid in a room with nothing but a marshmallow. And they told the kid,

you can eat this marshmallow if you want,

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