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It is four minutes after 10. We are going to dive shortly into matters Scottish, particularly with reference to events in Parliament on Wednesday

and to a lesser extent yesterday. But I just want to begin with a warning. Something that,

do you know, the clips that started going a little bit crazy a few years ago are, they can be a poison chalice.

I mean, first of all, they can get taken out of context.

So a three-hour show distilled down into a 90-second clip that, of course, people who haven't

listened to the three-hour show can use to jump to very, very curious conclusions. But on the plus side,

they do provide a record of what you've done. Do you know, it was in 2017 that I started calling

out colleagues even, certainly other presenters and producers for giving platforms to Islamist

extremists because they were good box office.

I think the point at which I realized we'd gone somewhere very, very silly was when I found

myself in the green room for the Alan Titchmarsh show on ITV, a sort of very gentle afternoon

entertainment presented by a brilliant broadcaster and a lovely,

lovely man.

And Anjem Chowdry, do you remember him, walked into the green room in his full robes with an entourage?

Like a sort of, like a sort of Kardashian of extremism. And I just thought, why are we giving these people oxygen? Because

they do something terrible. They create the illusion that extremists are representative of communities.

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