I broke the most important rule: don't get attached
Lives Less Ordinary
BBC
4.7 • 885 Ratings
🗓️ 22 December 2025
⏱️ 42 minutes
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Summary
Swedish youth worker Nicolas Lunabba had one strict rule: never get attached to the kids you help. Then 13-year-old Elijah moved in — and turned his mentor’s flat into a home.
In Malmö, Sweden, where poverty and violence shaped young lives, detachment was Nicolas' survival strategy.
Then he met Elijah, an eight year old with a mohawk, a basketball under his arm, and a fearless, sometimes dangerous streak. They bonded over basketball and five years later, Elijah arrived at Nicolas’ flat and made a home on his sofa. He borrowed his clothes, asked him to read aloud from a 3,600-page novel, and slowly cracked the emotional armour of a man who had spent years keeping people at arm’s length. What began as mentorship became an unconventional and powerful bond that changed both their lives in extraordinary ways. Nicolas has written a memoir, Will You Care If I Die, and a Swedish film of the same name is currently in production.
Presenter: Jo Fidgen Producer: Tom Harding Assinder
Lives Less Ordinary is a podcast from the BBC World Service that brings you the most incredible true stories from around the world. Each episode a guest shares their most dramatic, moving, personal story. Listen for unbelievable twists, mysteries uncovered, and inspiring journeys - spanning the entire human experience. Step into someone else’s life and expect the unexpected. Got a story to tell? Send an email to liveslessordinary@bbc.co.uk or message us via WhatsApp: 0044 330 678 2784 You can read our privacy notice here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/5YD3hBqmw26B8WMHt6GkQxG/lives-less-ordinary-privacy-notice
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| 0:17.2 | Dead people! |
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| 0:26.8 | but just long enough to argue with me, |
| 0:28.7 | tell their life stories, and sometimes get on my nerves. |
| 0:31.8 | You're dead to me. |
| 0:32.8 | Dead funny history. |
| 0:34.1 | Listen on BBC Sounds. |
| 0:37.1 | I have never in my life met a person who was met by such anger and prejudice. |
| 0:46.3 | And it was, of course, because they had prejudice ideas of a black kid with a mohawk and |
| 0:52.4 | a very cocky way. |
| 0:56.9 | But it was just so sad to see. |
| 1:00.9 | He could just cry and say, I don't understand why people hate me. |
| 1:03.5 | I don't understand why they treat me the way they do. |
| 1:11.5 | And seeing this became a personal struggle for me to make sure that I could do as much as I could, at least, to put him right. |
| 1:13.9 | Before Nicholas met Elijah, he's stuck to the rule that you mustn't get attached to the |
| 1:19.5 | children you work with. |
| 1:21.1 | But this kid was different. |
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