Hello there and welcome to the Thinking Fellows podcast.

My name is Caleb and I am joined by John Hoyum and Kelsey Clembara.

What do you guys?

You can never do it.

Every time.

I know.

It's Clembera.

I honestly do not care, but it is Clemberra, like a bear.

Are you less offended because you married into it?

Or?

Maybe.

Maybe I will grow in my frustration over time.

I don't know.

Is your husband and your brother-in-law, like, are they frustrated by the mispronunciation?

No, because they're the nicest people in the world.

I think the listeners are probably frustrated because I don't know how many times

this precise conversation has happened at the beginning of a show. It's my fault. It's my fault for

sure. Like I could, I could just, I just need to like say it in the mirror correctly a bunch of times.

I think every morning you wake up, you should just say it. I should. Yeah.

Kelsey's back on the show.

She's been on a couple episodes.

You came on to talk about, like, editing work when we did, like, vocation series.

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