About an hour northeast of San Diego, there's a hike in the Anzabrego Desert.

A lot of Rama's students told me about it.

It's one of the spots where they used to go on these desert trips with him.

The ones where they said magical things happen, like Rama's name being spontaneously recognized

by his students.

Liz Lillinson, Rama's biographer, first went on a trip in 1981.

On that very first trip, I remember seeing beautiful things.

I saw the hills behind Rama just sort of undulate with his beautiful light and energy.

He disappeared and became these two big blue spheres of light.

There were no bad trips for Liz.

He said they were magical.

Luke Sutton went on a bunch of those trips, too.

I was starting to short circuit because the energy was so strong, it was sublime.

The way Luke tells it, these desert trips had some of the same elements as the seminars.

They would tell a joke.

I mean, Rama had a sense of humor like he could have been a stand-up comedian.

He was extremely funny.

And here they were out in the wild, exploring.

They would go on these long walks together.

Usually, single-file or double-file down the gorge, it was called the gorge.

And he always waited until it was dark, so we waited and waited until it was really dark

because that's where the phenomena really happens.

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