How often do you see a guy who's a natural that works out and he's wearing a shirt and you know he works out?

Like a full shirt. Like how often do you really? The only guys I've ever known, I'd be honest,

are black guys, to be honest, that were natural. I knew one black guy I mentioned on the Boston show.

I think I mentioned him when you were there, Steve. Yeah. And that black guy, I knew a black guy in LA dude this guy's lats they hung like like this thick off his back

and I swear to God all he did was pull-ups every few days he had a chest like it was so deep three

inches he had full abs his shoulders were capped and I went to the guy and I was like what do

he's like I do a few pull-ups here.

He didn't eat anything. I mean, it was real. There are people like that. Deja vu. I literally watched this clip like an hour ago while I was eating my dinner. There are people like that,

but I've never seen a white guy like that. Like most of guys, like if I honestly, if I worked out natural. If I was wearing a shirt, you wouldn't know I worked out, a full shirt. You wouldn't know. And most guys, you wouldn't know. That's what I meant to say there is that

it's a lot of it is the drugs. You know what I mean? Of course. It's always involved. And at one point,

the guys that have a good foundation naturally at one point, it will result to drugs and turn pro. you know, within three or four years. I've met white guys as well with awesome genetics, great shape.

And then everybody accuses them with drugs.

And then they start drugs.

And then they blow the fuck up.

You've seen guys that I always thought was weird.

Is guys who have like very good natural physiques, but then they respond shitty to gear.

And it's like, well, how.

But then on the on. And then there's guys who have not that good of natural physiques, but then they respond shitty to gear. And it's like, well, how, but then on the, and then there's guys who have not that good

of natural physiques who explode.

So it's like, well, why would your endogenous testosterone respond this way to like, why would

your endergen receptors interact in this way with your natural production?

But then when you take gear, you explode like a mutant versus the natural guy with

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