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The Money with Katie Show

Hustle Culture or Quiet Quitting: Which Wins?

The Money with Katie Show

Money with Katie

Self-improvement, Education, Business, Investing, How To

4.81.3K Ratings

🗓️ 7 June 2023

⏱️ 28 minutes

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Summary

As a society, we now pit "anti-work" against "grindset mentality"—but we might actually be in a stage of self-defeating overcorrections at this point, including questionable trends like TradLife and Stay at Home Girlfriend Tok. In this week's episode, we cover the pros and cons of both hustle culture and quiet quitting, how employee stock ownership programs might help, and what a better balance between the two might be. Learn more about our sponsor, Vin Social: https://www.vinsocial.vip Learn more about our sponsor, CFA Institute: https://www.cfainstitute.org/en/programs/cfa Learn more about our sponsor, Fidelity: https://fidelity.com/stocksbytheslice Learn more about Betterment: http://www.betterment.com/moneywithkatie Transcripts can be found at podcast.moneywithkatie.com. — Mentioned in the Episode Range by David Epstein: https://bookshop.org/a/90396/9780735214507 "The Secret to Conventional Success We Don't Talk About": https://moneywithkatie.com/blog/conventional-success-secrets "On Meaningless Careers" by Jack Raines: https://www.youngmoney.co/p/meaningless-careers "Gen Z Does Not Dream of Labor" from Vox: https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/22977663/gen-z-antiwork-capitalism Wealth inequality in the 2010s: https://news.yahoo.com/super-richs-wealth-concentration-surpasses-gilded-age-levels-210802327.html Laura Pitcher in Vice: https://i-d.vice.com/en/article/93a3we/slow-living-tiktok-trend Zoe Hu in Dissent Magazine: https://www.dissentmagazine.org/article/the-agoraphobic-fantasy-of-tradlife Chelsea Fagan on "Quiet Quitting": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oh9CRz2dk-Q&ab_channel=TheFinancialDiet Haley Nahman on Not Caring About Your Work: https://haleynahman.substack.com/p/145-not-caring-about-your-job-freedom Kim Jordan of New Belgium Brewing and their employee stock ownership program: https://www.inc.com/magazine/202009/graham-winfrey/new-belgium-brewing-kim-jordan-esop-b-corp-acquisition-exit.html — Follow Along at Money with Katie: https://moneywithkatie.com/ Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@MoneywithKatie Follow Money with Katie! - Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/moneywithkatie/ - Twitter: https://twitter.com/moneywithkatie Subscribe to The Money with Katie Newsletter - Sign up for free today: https://www.morningbrew.com/money-with-katie/subscribe/2 Follow the Brew! - Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/morningbrew/ - Twitter: https://twitter.com/MorningBrew - TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@morningbrew Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Grind-set mentality, or anti-work.

0:10.0

Pustle culture, or quite quitting.

0:19.0

Which one wins?

0:21.0

The answer is neither.

0:23.0

It's a lose-lose and here's why.

0:31.0

Welcome back to the Money with Katie Show, Rich Girls, and Boys, and Buckle Up.

0:41.0

Because today, we are talking about puzzle culture and all of the overcorrections that

0:47.0

had spawned.

0:48.0

I'm going to explore a few things that have been on my mind recently as a mere 24-7 inhabitants

0:54.0

of Millennial and Zuma internet discourse, but what I'm really trying to get to the

0:58.0

heart of is this.

1:04.0

Is it actually aspirational to have a job or a life that requires very little of you?

1:11.0

Or is it actually kind of spiritually draining?

1:15.0

In 2017, my colleague invited me to something that seemed at the time akin to camping out

1:22.0

intents in the middle of our company, parking lot, and just about as fun.

1:25.0

She asked me to come with her to a 6am workout class.

1:29.0

This coworker, who was a few years my senior in both age, and title, and compensation,

1:35.0

was not just suggesting that we attend the class together.

1:39.0

She was teaching the class, and she encouraged me that, oh my gosh, she'll be so fun.

1:45.0

I think she could perceive the hesitation and the suspicion written all over my face.

1:51.0

And I privately wondered why someone who was clearly crushing it as a sales manager

1:58.0

was putting herself through the undeniable agony of additional labor before dawn

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