Hunting Syria's war criminals
The Documentary Podcast
BBC
4.3 • 2.7K Ratings
🗓️ 20 January 2022
⏱️ 27 minutes
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Summary
Imagine walking down a street in a European capital and meeting your torturer. For many Syrian refugees fleeing war and human rights abuses, Europe was meant to be a sanctuary. So it was a shock when people began bumping into their torturers out shopping or in a cafe. In fact many of those involved in the Syrian government’s notorious interrogation facilities are hiding in plain sight in European cities having used the refugee wave as a “ratline” out of the country. More and more are now being investigated, arrested and put on trial in European courts. But with President Assad firmly in control in Syria the long arm of the state is reaching those willing to testify. For Assignment, Chloe Hadjimatheou and Michael Ertl look at how the Syrian war is continuing to play out in Europe.
Presented and produced by Chloe Hadjimatheou and Michael Ertl Editor: Bridget Harney
(Image: A woman shows a picture of her Syrian relatives outside the Higher Regional Court in Koblenz, Germany, 13 January 2022. Credit: EPA/Sascha Steinbach)
Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | You're listening to assignment on the BBC World Service. |
| 0:03.6 | I'm Chloe Hajmuthau, investigating the trail of Syrian war criminals |
| 0:08.4 | who are hiding in plain sight in European cities. |
| 0:12.5 | And a warning, this programme includes graphic descriptions of torture. |
| 0:22.6 | So this here, this is what now so-called little Syria. |
| 0:28.4 | For example, those bold that they cooked the Syrian vegetable to the models |
| 0:36.6 | and the German market began to get that falafel, halloumi, hummus and kibbans. |
| 0:41.8 | This is Firas fired. He's showing me around the street in Berlin where many of the cities |
| 0:47.0 | Syrian refugees have congregated. We walk past restaurants and shisha cafes, |
| 0:53.0 | it's noisy and crowded and it reminds Firas of where he's from. |
| 0:58.0 | You can get to have a kind of emotional connection to the home. |
| 1:04.5 | But even that feeling, it's been taken from me. |
| 1:08.4 | Firas doesn't get to enjoy hanging out here reminiscing about Syria. |
| 1:13.2 | He hardly ever comes here. It's a scary, a bit scary like to walk here |
| 1:18.4 | for a person who's known as an opposition for the Syrian regime. |
| 1:23.8 | This is why I don't come to here, rarely. |
| 1:28.2 | Firas is a documentary director and his films tell stories about |
| 1:32.7 | the systematic bombing of the civilian population by the Syrian military during the Civil War there. |
| 1:38.8 | Back home, he was arrested and tortured. He eventually managed to escape. |
| 1:43.6 | But even here in Europe, he doesn't feel safe. |
| 1:46.8 | And what he's scared of is other Syrian refugees, supporters of President Bashar Al-Assad, |
| 1:53.7 | particularly former militia members who might be acting as the Syrian states' |
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