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In marriage there are those times when you... slash marriage with Greg Smalley and today we want to let you know that we see you we hear you we know it's hard and focus on the family is here to help.

Right now we're going to hear from Kay and Phil Robertson. Kay shares a pretty dramatic story of advice that she needed when they

were in a really tough spot in their marriage.

Here's Jim Daly.

Phil, I want to go back because you have taken us to the good spot, but a lot of people aren't living there.

People listening right now, they're struggling in their marriages.

So I want to hear that part of the story where you were at and you and

Phil or having difficulty and where I got to the lowest point of my

life. Yeah. Yes. Well that's important because what happened is that night I mean it was just so hard I went in the

bathroom and I remember feeling like I know how people feel when they get just

completely hopeless.

Because the thing that I had put my life into,

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