Hungary for Change
The TPM Show with Josh and Kate
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🗓️ 17 April 2026
⏱️ 65 minutes
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Summary
Kate and Josh discuss Swalwell's downfall, Orbán's ouster and Alito's possible retirement.
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| 0:00.0 | Hi, this is Josh Marshall and this is the Josh Marshall podcast featuring Kate Riga. |
| 0:24.8 | Before I say anything else, I think we've mentioned a few times. |
| 0:27.9 | We have a rebrand of the podcast that's coming really soon. |
| 0:31.4 | So keep an eye out for that. |
| 0:34.0 | But as long as we are still in the traditional branding of Kate and my show, let's |
| 0:40.2 | jump right into this because we've had a lot of news since we talked to you last when we were in |
| 0:46.6 | Austin, Texas, a week ago. Eric's Wellwell. I have never seen a collapse of a political campaign or a political career this fast. |
| 1:01.4 | And I kind of say that like regardless of the wrongdoing. |
| 1:07.0 | You know, one thing that was really striking to me is that his top, the top staffers of his |
| 1:15.4 | campaign, the no longer the case campaign for governor of California and of his house office, |
| 1:22.8 | which also no longer exists since he's resigned for Congress, like a day and a half into this, actually they released a statement, a joint statement in |
| 1:31.2 | which they basically said, this is terrible, this must end. |
| 1:35.1 | Some of us have life responsibility so we can't quit yet, but like we would if we could. |
| 1:40.0 | Normally, your top people will hang on longer than that. Well, you know, for any number of |
| 1:49.7 | reasons, uh, will not pull the plug that quickly. And I suspect, despite the gravity of the, um, |
| 2:00.4 | accusations against him, that has to be that these people were not |
| 2:06.0 | terribly surprised by what happened. Otherwise, I think they would have held out a little longer. |
| 2:13.7 | Kate, walk us through. I've react. We haven't gone over the details to the extent that anybody out there doesn't know them |
| 2:20.3 | already. |
| 2:20.8 | But walk us through what happened over the last week. |
| 2:23.3 | And a week ago was a kind of a rising, you know, member of the house and kind of quasi |
| 2:31.2 | frontrunner to be an ex-governor in California. |
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