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welcome to beg to differ, the bulwarks weekly roundtable discussion featuring civil

conversation across the political spectrum. We range from center left to center right. I'm Mona

Charen, syndicated columnist and policy editor at the bulwark, and I am joined by our regulars,

Bill Galston of the Wall Street Journal and the Brookings Institution,

Damon Linker, who writes the Substack Newsletter Notes from the Middle Ground,

and Linda Chavez of the Niskanon Center.

Our special guest this week is Robert Trisinski, who writes the Substack Newsletter,

The Trisinski Letter.

Thanks, one and all.

Well, we are in the midst of it now.

My old and dear friend, Jane Nordlinger, observed earlier within the past week that if you had said to a what we like to call the

anti-anti-Trumpers, which includes, you know, the people at the Wall Street Journal editorial

page and lots of others, if you had said to them a few weeks ago that a second Trump

term would feature the likes of Matt Gates, which we'll get to in a second, Tulsi Gabbard,

Pete Hegseth, Robert Kennedy Jr., they would have said, there you go.

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