There's no one that's an uber mensch in the SEAL teams.

And so I think that knowing that there's always someone better than you, and you're constantly

trying to do your best.

And if you're not trying to do your best, you're going to have problems.

So I think that's pretty normal.

I don't think it's pretty normal.

If you've ever seen or heard Jocko Willink, you will know one thing about him. He is big and he is imposing.

And if you know anything about me, I'm neither big nor imposing. Which is exactly why I invited him onto the podcast. It's because I like to learn from people who are nothing like me.

Jocko is also a number one New York Times best-selling author.

He served 20 years in the military as a Navy SEAL,

where he was the commander of task unit Bruiser,

the most decorated special operations unit in the Iraq War.

And so we sat down together to talk about

leadership. And here is what I learned. What's made him such an effective and successful leader

is actually his remarkable humility. This is a bit of optimism. You've made a career sharing some of the lessons you've learned in the teams out to the outside

world and helping people better lead. I'm curious what you've learned since you left the Navy

that you wish the SEALs had that you've only learned in the outside world. I'm curious

if anything tracks back. Yeah, I literally completely institutionalized. You know, I enlisted the Navy at 18 years

old and went straight in. So when I got out, I had no concept of what the outside world was like.

When people ask me that question, it really is the fact that when I got out and I started

working with civilian companies, the fact that every facet of leadership inside the SEAL teams

translated directly to a sales organization or a construction site or wherever, that was the

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