So, Berto, I don't know if you know this, but I am finishing up my book on grief. Did you know this? Yes, you mentioned, and I'm so, I'm so impressed by you. Oh, I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. I am definitely not being sarcastic. But now I really can't tell you. I can't say I'm being proud of you because I'm not the one writing the book, but I am impressed by you. Yeah, being proud of someone, you know, there's different versions of it, right? Like you can be proud of your kid or proud of helping a team or something. But yeah, I think being proud. Because we're associated with each other. You and I got into this debate years ago. Oh, we did? Yeah.

Because I'm like, I don't understand when people say, I'm so proud of our football team this year. I'm like, why? You're not doing anything. And they're, I don't know if the fans support the team and blah, blah, blah, blah. Which side was I taking? You were saying that, saying that you're proud is fine. yeah and i understand it's common parlance well there's different versions yeah yeah the one that

the specific one that I was railing or, you know, that I was choosing not to participate in is I didn't want to say I was proud of my kids. I wanted to say I'm impressed by my kids and let them be proud of themselves kind of thing. Yeah. But it's just the...

It's the thought that counts.

Whatever the kids are receiving is the importance.

Yeah.

But I am writing this book about grief whether or not you're proud of me.

I'm so impressed.

I was having a literal shower thought this morning and thought that I wanted to, throughout the book,

I am sprinkling in different examples from my life about grief and loss to not only ground

the theory and the research, but also for my own sake to some extent.

And a lot of the processing I've done of these various different griefs have benefited me in a lot of ways.

And one of the things I have also been trying to do is emphasize that grief is not just about death. Of course it is, but a lot of

the losses that we experience, significant losses that we experience throughout our life have nothing to do

with death. And it's at the point where books about grief will assume that it's always about death.

They'll say, you know, bereavement and grief, rather than thinking about all the various losses,

particularly attachment loss, can be a massive, I mean, the whole reason why we grieve death of an attachment figure is because we no longer have a relationship

with them. So that relationship can end in a number of ways through death or through abandonment,

for example, or divorce or breaking up or whatever. So it's important, I think, to emphasize that.

And I was having a little shower thought today about including in the book, because I'm

swimming in the book every day, all day long.

I was thinking about including your abandonment as a child in my book.

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