Okay, so I'm here with my very first guest in the after-episode interview portion of

our series.

We're doing these conversations to let everyone just sit down and digest it all a little

bit more with someone who has some experience and expertise in the world we're deciphering.

Also with these conversations, we're trying to bridge from one episode to the next.

On that note, just to remind everyone what we learned in the first episode of the world

beneath is that we have these mobsters, Meyer Lansky and Lucky Luciano.

And we introduced a little on how they built the underworld, a world that they organized

with crime and a money pot that runs it, which has been growing for over 100 years.

And I mentioned that while I was in there studying that world trying to understand it, I found

a whole bunch of spies.

So we're trying to figure out what are these spies doing in there?

Are they hunting the mobsters?

Are they working with the mobsters?

What are they doing?

And one of the things that I got into in the first episode trying to understand it was

introducing a woman named Elizabeth Friedman, who with a man who would be her husband created

the science of cryptanalysis just prior and during the First World War.

They were reading and deciphering encrypted signals sent by the enemy over this new thing

called radio.

And analysis is the science of decrypting code without having the cipher or the key.

And Elizabeth and William were creating by doing it the art and craft of signal intelligence.

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