Welcome back to Beyond Classified. I'm your host, Chris Matthew. Today my guest is Nathaniel Gillis. He is a religious demonologist and author.

After living in a haunted house, he spent 20 years researching what it was he encountered.

He has sought to redefine the nature of haunting phenomena, ghosts, and high strangeness.

Nathaniel, welcome back.

How you doing?

Thank you. I'm doing very well, and it's always good to be with you, my friend. Always good.

Yes, always a wonderful conversation. Welcome back. Today we're going to dive back into your work and research, into the spiritual and paranormal realms and the intelligence and the intelligences and entities from these realms that

possibly sometimes interact and have incredible impacts in our human experience here.

And depending on your beliefs, these may be demons or extraterrestrials, fairies,

agrigors, thought forms, or disincarnate spirits.

I've had many different theories pass through this show, and I love comparing notes with all of them,

and you have some very interesting theories as well.

That's why I keep having you back.

You actually have some case studies we're going to explore today, as well as get further insights into your research. But before we do any of that,

remind the audience a little bit about yourself and your work if they're not familiar.

So I am what is known as a demonologist, and that is my discipline. So I had my first encounter

with the phenomenon when I was eight or nine years old.

And full-bodied apparitions, shadow people, just a whole lot of manifestations I encountered.

And it led me to want to understand this phenomenon as much as I possibly can.

And so my perspective has evolved throughout the years.

And obviously, it should go without saying,

but you wouldn't believe how many people just hit me on the head with demonology.

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