‘Humane’ with Samuel Moyn
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🗓️ 8 September 2021
⏱️ 61 minutes
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Jack Goldsmith sat down with Samuel Moyn, Henry R. Luce Professor of Jurisprudence at Yale Law School and a professor of history at Yale University. The two discussed Professor Moyn’s latest book, “Humane: How the United States Abandoned Peace and Reinvented War.” The conversation touched on the changing nature of war, the decoupling of conflict from our national conversations and even Tolstoy.
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| 0:25.6 | no bull and the aftermath. |
| 0:32.6 | You know, consider how Americans thought about war, their wars, you know, for a long time. |
| 0:40.5 | They were fans of them. |
| 0:43.2 | Vietnam changed that and kind of introduced a kind of like, like, disquietude about the |
| 0:49.6 | role Americans play in the world. |
| 0:55.3 | Furthermore, World War II, which had been the good war and still is, you know, we remember |
| 0:59.3 | less because it was an American victory as because the Holocaust happened even so. |
| 1:06.9 | And that kind of sensitized a lot of elites to thinking that wars not kind of for taking |
| 1:14.3 | victory laps, it's when terrible things happen, even when we fight it. |
| 1:20.7 | And I think without that sense of the worst thing that can happen in war, you know, civilian |
| 1:28.2 | depredation, the death of the innocent, previously cavalierly dismissed by generations of Americans, |
| 1:36.7 | but embraced as like something morally significant in the 1960s to 80s. |
| 1:42.8 | You really can't understand how tech and the law ended up leading in the direction that |
| 1:48.2 | they have. |
| 1:49.9 | I'm Ian Enret. |
| 1:51.4 | And this is the LawFair podcast for September 8, 2021. |
| 1:57.5 | Jack Goldsmith sat down with Samuel Moyne, Henry R. Lewis, Professor of Jurisprudence, |
| 2:02.7 | and Professor of History at Yale University. |
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