Okay, we are very excited. This was a tough get for us, folks. A very tough get for us

here at our our scrappy little human events daily production. But we have landed a big

whale. We've landed a big one. We've hooked them like Moby Dick, Captain A. Hab wishes

he had what we have here at human events daily. Charlie Kirk, the founder of Turning Point

USA, the host of the Charlie Kirk show. We've got you here for human events daily.

And so Charlie, when I go on your show and I've seen people respond and say, they like

they're like, you guys do like you because you kind of unpack things and you go deeper

about it. And you know, we'll make references to things. We'll get into different stuff.

But we're always kind of driven by the news of the day. We're always kind of driven by reacting

to whatever crazy thing has come out next, you know, CNN's up to whatever they're up

to. How did we get here? And I'll just be me and you or any of this. I mean, how did

the West go from the towering world power, right? The driver of actual, you know, progress.

And intellectual thoughts and industrialization in the world to this sort of corrupted, backward

and really decaying kind of situation that we're in now. What do you think?

Well, yeah, I think we've managed to hang ourselves with the rope of our own creation.

I'm a conservative. That's unafraid to say that not everything that came out of the

enlightenment was good. If you, that's like a thought crime in some right circles, I really

don't care. It's true. The enlightenment was great for some things, obviously. David

French is not going to like this podcast. But yeah, you have to be, you have to, the first

of the most important question is when do you think the enlightenment began? Right.

That's the most important question, right? Yes. And French would say that it began with

like Spinoza or Galileo when it obviously started Machiavelli. Right. And Machiavelli,

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