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Offline with Jon Favreau

Hugs From Your Late Mom, Interdimensional Chats, and College Cheating: The AI Future Is Here

Offline with Jon Favreau

Crooked Media

Society & Culture, News

4.72K Ratings

🗓️ 26 June 2025

⏱️ 81 minutes

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Summary

We don't really know how AIs like ChatGPT work...which makes it all the more chilling that they're now leading people down rabbit holes of delusion, actively spreading misinformation, and becoming sycophantic romantic partners. Harvard computer science professor Jonathan Zittrain joins Offline to explain why these large language models lie to us, what we lose by anthropomorphizing them, and how they exploit the dissonance between what we want, and what we think we should want.

Transcript

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0:00.0

It's amazing how much the original promise of the internet, which was to eliminate isolation

0:07.3

or mitigate it, and to connect strangers who would never have any chance of meeting, but through

0:13.2

great serendipity and a little bit of non-serendipity, have reason to connect and befriend one

0:19.9

another and form a community, how much that doesn't appear to be on tap.

0:27.0

I mean, whether or not you think social media has done it well, that was what was offered as a huge part of its promise.

0:33.4

And here the promise is like, who needs humans?

0:37.0

And that's worrisome.

0:40.5

Welcome to offline. I'm John Favro.

0:47.4

All right. I'm here with my fearless producers, Austin and Emma.

0:51.8

Hello, John.

0:52.7

Hey, guys.

0:53.8

Hello, hello.

0:54.7

All right.

0:55.4

Would I tell us who you spoke to today?

0:56.9

I talked to Jonathan Zittran.

0:58.3

He's a professor at Harvard.

1:00.0

He's a professor of law, public policy, and computer science.

1:03.4

It's a lot.

1:03.9

That's a lot.

1:04.7

And he's the co-founder and director of Harvard's Berkman-Kline Center for Internet and Society.

1:10.9

Yes.

1:11.4

So really just like a perfect, perfect person to talk to on this pod.

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