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Welcome back. I'm talking to Dr. Hugh Ross, who is with Reasons to Believe.

You really need to look them up. Reasons.org tons of stuff there to help you understand

just the marvels of the scientific world and how it points to God more and more and more and more

to the point where I find it comical actually. And I don't know how people who don't want to believe in

God squirm away, wriggle away from believing in God. What do scientists that you talk to

who recognize the fine tuning? What does some of them say? Because you get the multiverse thing

constantly. It seems laughable, but it gives them the ability just to walk away. They say,

well, you know, that's my answer. You mentioned Leonard. What is some other saying? Because this is,

I mean, even if you go back to Fred Hoyle, who as his career progressed, he more and more saw that

on every level, chemical, biological, physical laws, that everything seems to have been created. And,

you know, he said he was an atheist, but he was honest about this, about this kind of thing.

Well, I noticed in the latest books being published by apius astronomers and physicists,

they're all conceding that D is and cannot be taken off the scientific table. I mean,

even Lawrence Krausner's book, Mateset Stapen, and his book, A Universe from Nothing. So,

they're coming to the recognition that there must be a causal agent beyond space and time

that's engaged. But how I speak to my peers is I say, well, it's not just that attribute of God

that the fine tuning reveals. It reveals dozens of distinct personal attributes of the creator

and to see those attributes, we really need to look at all the disciplines of science and their sub-disciplines.

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