"Huge, massive beautiful place" – welcome to Mongolia
Simon Calder's Independent Travel Podcast
The Independent
3.6 • 628 Ratings
🗓️ 20 February 2026
⏱️ 5 minutes
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Ulan Bator, the capital, is a busy, creative location, says Anna Butler – Tour Manager for Expat Adventure. She has lived in the vast land – six times the size of Britain – for 10 year. But beyond the city there is much more to be discovered.
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| 0:00.0 | A faraway country of which we know little. |
| 0:05.0 | Well, I think the epitome of that would be Mongolia, |
| 0:09.0 | and so I'm delighted to be talking to Anna Butler, |
| 0:12.0 | who is the tour director of expat adventure. |
| 0:17.0 | Unforgetable Mongolian tours. |
| 0:20.0 | First of all, Mongolia. Where and what is it? unforgettable Mongolian tours. |
| 0:24.6 | First of all, Mongolia. Where and what is it? Mongolia. It is the most amazing country in Central Asia. It's sandwiched right between Russia and China. |
| 0:32.6 | A population of about 3 million, but absolutely beautiful country, huge, massive, beautiful place. |
| 0:40.3 | A long way away and difficult to get to. |
| 0:43.3 | You might imagine that it's difficult to get to, but these days you can get a direct flight from Frankfurt to Mongolia, |
| 0:50.3 | but certainly a long way and culturally, very different, really unusual. I think many people will |
| 0:56.9 | know that the capital is Ulan Bato. Talk me through that. Is it one of Asia's great cities? |
| 1:02.9 | I think so, yes. In the last 10 years, it really has exploded culturally and artistically as well. |
| 1:09.5 | It's a real hub for young artists and for music as |
| 1:13.7 | well. You may have heard of the Who, who recently became quite popular. They started in Ullambata. |
| 1:18.9 | Yeah, so Ullambata is a busy, thriving city in Central Asia. But most people are wanting to |
| 1:25.7 | get out of the city and into the wild. |
| 1:28.5 | Where would you take them? |
| 1:30.0 | That's right. |
| 1:30.9 | That is why people dream of coming to Mongolia. |
| 1:33.8 | I think the most amazing place to visit would be the Gobi Desert. |
| 1:38.1 | Of course, you have nomads moving throughout the year with their camels and their goats. |
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