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He has a long history in the telecom industry, from which he may draw in our discussion of

his new book, Wireless Wars, China's dangerous domination of 5G and how we are fighting

back. Welcome, Jonathan. Nice to be here, Mark.

Now, you go back in time, but the book opens with a more immediate situation. You begin with

China's response to the COVID outbreak. Anything instantly that you would want to say about that to set the stage for the longer,

the longer history that you go into in later pages? Sure. The important thing about what happened

with the COVID crisis is that the world started to realize that even though we've been interdependent, and a lot of

countries are highly dependent on China for supplies of everything, when we started to find

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