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HSBC's jarring ESG message, Davos and Springtime.

Welcome to the views room.

I'm your host, Jennifer Saba, a columnist at breaking views coming to you from New Jersey.

Environmental, social, and governance-based investing has its share of critics.

But a recent event at HSBC shows that those punching holes in ESG are becoming more vocal.

The bank's head of responsible investing at the asset management division

said that policymakers and other global authorities were exaggerating the risks of climate change.

Breaking Views, Associate editor George Hay beams in from London to explain why that puts HSBC boss

Noel Quinn in an awkward position. Next, I'll pass the mic to Peter

Tal Larson and Lauren Silva Loughlin, who are in Davos, Switzerland, covering the World Economic Forum after a

two-and-a-half-year pause. While the spring sun is shining, the mood is pretty dark, given the economic

uncertainty, inflation in the war in Ukraine.

Those factors have introduced tension to earlier promises made to help change the direction

of climate change.

Hi, George. It's good to talk to you.

Hey.

Hey, so let's talk about this HSBC situation that you reported on earlier. So this is an

interesting story and that to me there are two characters here at the bank. And one is,

his name is Stuart Kirk, who is the head of responsible investing. And he came out from my understanding and said that

basically, you don't have to really worry about climate risk. And then on the other side of the

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