So you're on hold and you're sitting there with the hold music and you're kind of in La La Land where you can actually do work.

And some of these channels every 30 seconds, some voice comes on, your call is important to us.

You are fort deep in line. And then gives you an ad sometimes and then goes back to music.

Yes. If you're having such a great support experience you want to buy more from us,

then here's other things you can have tech support problems with. Smashing Security, Episode 407, HPs hold music, and human trafficking, with Carol Terrio and Graham Cluley.

Hello, hello, and welcome to Smashing Security episode 407. My name's Graham Cluley.

And I'm Carol.

4707, Carol. I know, I know. And so it goes on.

You know, there are people out there who've listened to every single episode of Smash Insecurity.

Wow. They've undertaken the Odyssey. Someone should do the math of how many hours that is.

Yeah. a lot.

Well, we have a jam-packed show today, so you're going to get another hour on that docket.

But before we kick off, let's thank this week's wonderful sponsors, Akronis, Drata, and Palo Alto

Networks. It's their support that help us give you this show for free.

Now, coming up on today's show, Graham help us give you this show for free.

Now, coming up on today's show, Graham, what do you got?

I'm going to be talking about when tech support is the cybersecurity vulnerability.

And I'm going to see if we can squeeze out some compassion for the unfortunate scammer.

Plus, I chat with Gerald Buchelt.

He's Akronis' chief information security officer, and he shares loads of tips on how the security professional can get the boss on side.

All this and much more coming up on this episode, Smashing Security.

Now, chums, chums, a question for you to kick off this show.

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