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My First Million

Howard Marks: how I make money while you worry about a market crash

My First Million

Hubspot

Business, Investing, Entrepreneurship

4.72.9K Ratings

🗓️ 15 July 2026

⏱️ 47 minutes

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Summary

Investing Guide: https://clickhubspot.com/epkr Episode 841: Sam Parr ( https://x.com/theSamParr ) and Shaan Puri ( https://x.com/ShaanVP ) talk to legendary investor Howard Marks about AI and making decisions in the face of fear and uncertainty.  — Show Notes: (0:00) AI Hurtles Ahead (8:26) second level thinking (10:21) investing through the end of the world (14:47) raising $11B at a time of crisis (17:54) investing with fear (20:22) the key to a successful partnership (25:01) being a good father (27:37) only 1 success: to live your life your way (34:17) Having lunch with Warren Buffett (37:18) What people don't know about Buffett (39:37) cigar butt investing (41:35) recommended reading — Links: • AI Hurtles Ahead - https://www.oaktreecapital.com/insights/memo/ai-hurtles-ahead  • A Short History of Financial Euphoria - https://www.amazon.com/History-Financial-Euphoria-Penguin-Business/dp/0140238565  • Fooled by Randomness - https://www.amazon.com/Fooled-Randomness-Hidden-Markets-Incerto/dp/0812975219  — Check Out Sam's Stuff: • Hampton (joinhampton.com): My community for founders. Average member does $25m/year. Many of the guests are members. Get after it...apply: http://joinhampton.com/mfm — Check Out Shaan's Stuff: • Shaan's weekly email - https://www.shaanpuri.com  • Visit https://www.somewhere.com/mfm to hire worldwide talent like Shaan and get $500 off for being an MFM listener. Hire developers, assistants, marketing pros, sales teams and more for 80% less than US equivalents. • Mercury - Shaan uses Mercury for banking across all of his companies. you can too: http://mercury.com/  Mercury is a fintech company, not an FDIC-insured bank. Banking services provided by Choice Financial Group, Column, N.A., and Evolve Bank & Trust, Members FDIC • I run all my newsletters on Beehiiv and you should too + we're giving away $10k to our favorite newsletter, check it out: beehiiv.com/mfm-challenge My First Million is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by HubSpot Media // Production by Arie Desormeaux // Editing by Ezra Bakker Trupiano /

Transcript

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0:00.0

If you wait until you have nothing to be afraid about, probably the opportunity has passed.

0:06.8

I feel like I can rule the world.

0:09.1

I know I could be what I want to.

0:12.1

I put my all in it like no days off.

0:14.5

On the road, let's travel.

0:15.7

It's good to see you again.

0:17.2

We had a lot of fun last time, and we were like, look, I don't know if other people were going to like that, but we loved that.

0:22.4

And then over a million people listened to the last one. And so this morning, I was reading, you wrote this blog post about how you changed your mind about AI.

0:31.3

You had written, I don't know, a couple months back about the possibility of an AI bubble, and then as a good thinker tends to do, you got new facts, you sort of reassessed the situation, you wrote a new post about AI. Do you want to summarize the story of how you changed your mind on AI?

0:49.5

Well, the story is very simple. I have this son named Andrew. He's a VC. He's dealing with AI every day. His

0:57.7

companies use AI, some of them create AI, etc. I had written the first memo around December 9th,

1:04.1

as I recall, and then in early February, he said, Dad, so much has happened, you have to update

1:09.7

the memo. And so I rewrote the memo entirely.

1:14.0

I was rereading one of your old books, and you repeat this phrase a bunch, which is like,

1:20.9

it's important to be rational, and you can't get seduced into thinking something is a good

1:24.5

idea, because that's when smart people can make bad decisions, when you get emotional about something. But then when I was reading part two, I was reading it

1:31.7

and I was like, Howard, you sound a little seduced. You sound a little seduced, you sound like

1:36.9

you're into this. Are you at all approaching this in an emotional way, you think?

1:41.0

It depends on your definition of emotional. I upgraded my opinion of AI and its potential

1:49.4

because its ability to talk about its own strengths and weaknesses,

1:57.9

to use humor, to put information in the context of me, to use what it knows about me.

2:08.0

And you know, this is really exceptional stuff.

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