Welcome back to Podforce One. I'm Miranda Devine and today I'm with Howard Lutnik, the Secretary of Commerce.

Secretary Howard Lutnik, thank you for joining Podforce One. You're a New Yorker. You have known

Donald Trump for 30 years. You know everybody. Elon Musk, Charlie Kirk, Jeffrey Epstein was your neighbor.

I would be remiss if I didn't ask you about him, East 71st Street. He was your neighbor for 10 years.

How well did you know him?

All right. So we are in number 11 and he lives in number 9.

Right. So we renovate, we buy our house and our house is pigeons and mice.

Right. Okay. It was derelict. Right. So we build, we rebuild our house. We move in in 2005.

Okay?

Jeffrey Epstein is arrested in like 08, I think, or something like that.

Right, right.

So knock on the door, his assistant, on like a Saturday, says, Mr. Epstein, your neighbor would

like to invite you over for coffee.

So my wife and I go next door. You walk the seven steps, right, to the next

house for coffee. We share a wall. Right. Right. So it's in New York City. So he invites us in.

We have coffee in this and he says, do you want a tour? We said, great. Interesting. He's got a really big house. Every room you went into? He's got, he's got, well, I'll tell you. So his house is like super big, really wide. And so he gives me a tour in the living room, big living room. And then across from it is double doors. I assume it's the dining room. Yeah. And he opens the

doors and there's a massage table in the middle of the room and candles all around and stuff.

So I ask very insightful cutting questions. I say to him, massage table in the middle of your house.

How often you have a massage?

And he says, every day.

And then he like gets like weirdly close to me.

And he says, and the right kind of massage.

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