Welcome to the New York Times pop cast, your his and hers horizontal mirrors of music news and criticism.

I'm your host Joe Koske filling in for John Care Monica. I can't get no satisfaction.

Because I tried, I tried I tried. I tried. I tried. I can't get no.

Those sounds of course are the Rolling Stones. can't get no satisfaction.

But we're not here to talk about the one-year anniversary of Old

Chella.

We are here to discuss sticky fingers,

the life and times of Yon Wenner and Rolling Stone magazine, a new biography by Joe Hagen.

Chronicling the life of Yon Wenner, who created Rolling Stone as a 20-something in San Francisco, California, 67.

Here to discuss the book with me, I have the Daily Book Critic from the New York Times, Dwight

Gardner.

Nice to be here.

And Sidney Ember, the media reporter at the Times, who covers Rolling Stone as part of her beat.

Great to be here. So Sydney and I worked together earlier this month on a story about how this book came together. If you know

anything about it so far you might know that Jan Wenner the subject of the book who

worked closely with the author for four years on it

is very disappointed in how it turned out.

He called it deeply flawed and Tawdry in our story.

We'll get a little bit into the backstory later. you liked the book more than yon I think it's fair to say

he's he's really made a bad decision to come down in this book because a it reads like a rocket it's just a great

biography and b you know he comes off in because A, it reads like a rocket, it's just a great biography.

And B, you know, he comes off in his own way as kind of lovable in it.

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