How Water Shapes Our Planet: The Undervalued Resource that Supports Everything We Do | Reality Roundtable 18
The Great Simplification with Nate Hagens
Nate Hagens
4.8 • 550 Ratings
🗓️ 3 September 2025
⏱️ 75 minutes
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Summary
Water has always been a fundamental force shaping our planet – both in sustaining life across ecosystems and in guiding the organization and survival of human societies. Yet, many of us are unaware of how intertwined our lives are with the water cycle, much less of the ways we deplete and degrade the water resources that we and other living creatures rely upon for our very existence. What might change if we had a deeper understanding of global and regional hydrological cycles?
On this Reality Roundtable, Nate is joined by Heather Cooley, Zach Weiss, and Mike Joy to discuss the importance of water and hydrology and the complex ways they impact our planet. Together, they unpack how we are disrupting global water systems through global heating and pollution, resulting in increases in droughts and flooding across the globe. Additionally, each expert offers their perspective on the action required to heal our water systems – including ecosystem restoration, regional watershed planning, and national policies to reduce industrial and agricultural pollution.
If we continue with our same patterns of agriculture, industrial production, and consumption, what will the availability of clean and affordable water be like just decades from now? Are we already beginning to see the signs of destabilized hydrological cycles in our planetary system? And could fostering a better relationship and understanding of the water cycle lead to a broader recognition of our interdependence with all systems that support rich, complex life on Earth?
(Conversation recorded on June 11th, 2025)
About Heather Cooley:
Heather Cooley is the Director of the Pacific Institute's Water Program. She conducts and oversees research on an array of water issues, such as the connections between water and energy, sustainable water use and management, and the hydrologic impacts of climate change.
About Mike Joy:
Mike Joy is a leading freshwater ecologist and an advocate for the conservation of our waterways. He has been working for two decades at the interface of science and policy with a goal of addressing agriculture's polluting impacts on New Zealand's waterways.
About Zach Weiss:
Zachary Weiss is the founder of Elemental Ecosystems, an ecological development company specializing in watershed restoration and ecosystem regeneration, and has worked in over 25 countries across 6 continents. After 10 years, Zach also founded Water Stories as a way to train others in the same work through his watershed restoration expertise.
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| 0:00.0 | I've seen estimates that by 2030, half of the world's population is going to be living in areas of extreme, severe water stress. |
| 0:09.0 | We have also seen examples where bringing water back to areas has actually caused the reverse migration, |
| 0:15.1 | where people have returned to their homelands that they don't want to leave. |
| 0:19.1 | They're being forced to leave because they don't have |
| 0:21.3 | a viable future. When you create a viable future in those areas, people return and you can |
| 0:27.6 | reverse this migration. You know, it takes a little bit of steady effort by people, but it is very |
| 0:33.0 | much possible. You're listening to the great simplification. I'm Nate Hagen's. On this show, |
| 0:41.9 | we describe how energy, the economy, the environment and human behavior all fit together and |
| 0:47.9 | what it might mean for our future. By sharing insights from global thinkers, we hope to |
| 0:52.8 | inform and inspire more humans to play emergent roles in the coming great simplification. |
| 1:04.4 | Greetings. On this reality roundtable, I'm joined by three experts to discuss a long overdue topic for this platform, |
| 1:12.6 | which is the subject of water and hydrology. |
| 1:16.7 | Joining me to share their unique expertise are Heather Cooley, Zachary Weiss, and Mike Joy. |
| 1:23.6 | Heather Cooley is the director of the Pacific Institute's water program, where she conducts |
| 1:29.2 | and oversees research on an array of water issues, such as the connections between water |
| 1:33.6 | and energy, sustainable water use, and management, and the hydrologic impacts of climate |
| 1:39.1 | change. |
| 1:40.3 | Zachary Weiss is the founder of Elemental Ecosystems, an ecological development company specializing in watershed restoration and ecosystem regeneration, where they work in over 25 countries across six continents. |
| 1:56.2 | After 10 years, Zach also founded water stories as a way to train others in the same work through his |
| 2:03.3 | watershed restoration expertise. Mike Joy, a longtime follower of this show and my previous work, |
| 2:10.4 | is a leading freshwater ecologist and a powerful advocate for the conservation of our waterways. |
| 2:16.4 | He has been working for two decades at the interface |
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