How Ukraine is Changing European Security
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🗓️ 14 March 2022
⏱️ 58 minutes
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Summary
Russia's war of aggression in Ukraine has undermined some of the fundamental assumptions underlying the security of Europe through much of the post-World War II era. As a result, several European nations have begun to consider dramatic changes in how they approach national security, both individually and collectively.
To better understand how the war in Ukraine is reshaping the European security order, Scott R. Anderson sat down with two of his colleagues from the Brookings Institution: Célia Belin, a visiting fellow at Brookings and a former official in the French Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and Constanze Stelzenmüller, the Fritz Stern Chair on Germany and trans-Atlantic Relations in the Center on the United States and Europe.
They discussed how the Ukraine conflict is reshaping Europe's approach to security affairs, what this means for institutions like the European Union and NATO, and how these changes are likely to impact the fundamental debate over what it means to be a part of Europe.
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| 0:25.6 | no bull and the aftermath. |
| 0:32.6 | Look, I think it's important to realize that in a European Union that has nearly 30 |
| 0:39.8 | members, you are going to have genuinely legitimate differences of views on the use of military |
| 0:45.6 | power, on the use of economic power. |
| 0:48.2 | And those legitimate differences are based in relative size, in location, whether you're |
| 0:54.6 | close to Russia or not, whether you are economically powerful or not, or whether you are small |
| 1:00.7 | and less powerful and have to bandwagon on big countries like France and Germany. |
| 1:06.6 | All that creates its own tensions that I think can't be sort of smoothed over or skipped |
| 1:13.0 | over even in times of a real crisis that does, as Celia was saying, sort of glue us all |
| 1:19.5 | together. |
| 1:20.5 | I'm LawFair senior editor Scott Arnorson and this is the LawFair podcast from March 14th, |
| 1:26.0 | 2022. |
| 1:28.0 | Russia's war of aggression in Ukraine has undermined some of the fundamental assumptions underlying |
| 1:32.8 | the security of Europe through much of the post-World War II era. |
| 1:36.3 | After a result, several European nations have begun to consider dramatic changes in |
| 1:40.6 | how they approach national security, both individually and collectively. |
| 1:45.6 | To better understand how the war in Ukraine is reshaping the European security order, I sat |
| 1:49.3 | down with two of my colleagues from the Brookings Institution. |
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