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🗓️ 21 July 2025
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0:00.0 | From the New York Times, I'm Natalie Kittrowaf. This is the Daily. |
0:09.1 | For the past two weeks, President Trump has been trying and failing to get his base to stop talking about Jeffrey Epstein. |
0:19.4 | Today, my colleagues David Enrich and Sean McCreach |
0:22.5 | explain why MAGA won't let go of this scandal, |
0:25.6 | how the president misread his own base, |
0:29.2 | and what all this shows about the limits of Trump's power. |
0:36.6 | It's Monday, July 21st. |
0:43.3 | David, we're in the middle of a crisis that the White House has so far been unable to control, |
0:51.2 | which is this growing anger over the administration's refusal to release the |
0:55.2 | complete files in the Jeffrey Epstein investigation. You're an investigative editor at the Times, |
1:00.6 | and you've been involved in some of the biggest investigations that the Times has done |
1:05.5 | surrounding Epstein. So we've come to you to understand why won't this go away? |
1:11.8 | This won't go away because it involves a collection of some of the world's richest and most powerful people and institutions and a whole slew of unanswered questions. |
1:25.4 | So to just step back for a sec, let's just start with the story that most of us know about |
1:30.3 | Jeffrey Epstein. |
1:32.3 | He was a self-styled financier living in New York and in Florida and on a private island. |
1:40.3 | He was associated with some really rich and famous people, most notably for our purposes, |
1:45.9 | probably Donald Trump, with whom he spent a lot of time in the 90s and early 2000s hanging |
1:52.0 | out, flying on planes together, and Trump at times remarked on their shared interest in women. |
1:59.3 | And the other really important thing about Epstein is that in 2008, he pleaded guilty to |
2:06.2 | sex crimes down in Florida, spent a brief period in jail. |
2:10.5 | And then in 2019, he was arrested on federal sex trafficking charges. |
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