Keep calm and carry on. That's what I did. This whack job that wrote the book, he said,

well, Trump knew a little bit. They wanted me to come out and scream. People are dying.

We died. No, no. We did it just the right way. We have to be calm. We don't want to be

praised lunatics. I watch some of the shows. I watch Liz

McDonald's. She's fantastic. I watched Fox Business. I watched Lou Dobbs last night,

Sean Hannity last night, Tucker last night, Laura. I watched Fox and Friends in the morning.

You watch these shows. You don't have to go too far into the details. They cover things that are,

it's really an amazing thing.

Hello everybody. Welcome to the Muck Rake podcast. I am Nick Houselman. And as always, I'm joined by Jared Yates Sexton. And on a nice Thursday afternoon, we're here to talk a little bit about what's going on with the Jeff Zucker, Donald Trump extravaganza that we have going in there. It turns out that they've, they talk as much as probably him and Hannity do.

And it's an interesting conundrum because Trump loves to just destroy CNN every chance he gets.

So, Jared, what's your thought on that?

My thought is I'm tired, Nick. I'm just so tired of all this bullshit.

I'm just so tired of it on every front.

It's bad enough yesterday.

Of course, we recorded this emergency podcast about the Bob Woodward revelations and the fact that, you know, Woodward is profiting off of human misery.

But that's neither here nor there.

By the way, I had a fun time today watching journalists stand up for him and say, well, and this is my favorite thing. Well, it wouldn't have mattered anyway, so why do it? And then it's like, yeah, that's the authoritarian mindset right there. Like that's where we need to be for Donald Trump to become an authoritarian dictator, but that's neither here nor there. I'm tired of Trump lying, but on top of that, I'm tired of the people who are profiting

off of this who know better.

Like this Zucker thing, it's not shocking.

Do you know what I mean?

And for those who haven't listened to it yet, Michael Cohen has released these tapes because, I mean, he's trying to get rich. Zucker's trying to get rich. Everybody's just trying to get rich off of this disaster. And Zucker was talking to Cohen back in, back in 2016 when Trump was running. And suckers like, oh, the boss, he called him the boss the boss he's doing great and he's so good in

these uh these debates and let me offer you a little bit of uh advice to make him better in the

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