One of the first things in my life that brought me to God when I was 19 years old was reading crime and punishment,

which is a story about an axe murderer.

I try to get at what it is that an artist does that makes this evil world beautiful.

Is there beauty? Are there people producing truly beautiful works of art in this horrifically awful world?

Andrew Clavin, the new book is the Kingdom of Cain, Finding God

in the Literature of Darkness, which is available right now to go by on Amazon, where I buy

books. Drew, I have to admit, I haven't read the book yet because you have not sent me a special

signed copy, so what's up with that? I'm coming in this week. I'll bring you one.

Okay, all right. I'll find somebody to sign it to. I can't in this week. I'll bring you one. Okay. All right.

I'll find somebody to sign it to.

I can't, because I can't spend my own money on it.

I don't, I'm...

No, obviously.

I wouldn't expect that.

Yeah.

Well, I do plan to read it because I'm legitimately very interested. And looking just at the description, it says, you know, the book's all about finding joy and beauty in the world while still being, you know, realistic about the evil found in it.

And that resonates with me because I do find I do struggle with that sometimes, and by sometimes I mean, like, pretty much all the time.

So, so how do we find,

I don't want to give me spoilers away, but how do we find joy and beauty in this horrifically

awful world that we live in? Yeah, I think this is the thing. I think if you're an actual

Christian, if you actually believe in the precepts of Christianity, after a while, it just comes

to you that the world sucks.

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