Hello, and welcome back to practicing human, the podcast where every day we're getting

a little better at life.

I'm your host, Corey Muscara, and in today's episode, we are going to talk about working

through conflict.

More to come on that in a moment, first, let's settle in together with the sound of the

bells.

Okay, so in this podcast, I am going to be pulling from Jason Gattis' new book, Getting

to Zero, which is a book all about working through relationship conflict.

It's incredible.

I highly recommend it, and one of the things he talks about is his own journey of learning

to work through conflict, especially with his romantic partnerships and now his wife.

And one of the things he noted was how he often felt like he understood the other person.

But that wasn't always the case when working through conflict.

And through a number of really great stories he shares in the book, he said he created this

new rule for himself that I don't understand this person until they say they feel understood.

I don't understand this person until they say they feel understood.

And he turned this into a four-part acronym that I really like called Lufu, and that stands

for Listen until they feel understood.

Listen until they feel understood, Lufu.

So I want to dive into that in this podcast.

I think, you know, if we just stopped here and you took that into your relationship dynamics

or any communication, especially when you're working through a particular conflict and lots

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