The Oh Oh, So, Well, welcome back to the Rebel Podcast. As always, this is P. Nate and this is the podcast for Cultural Engagement brought to you by the Ezra Institute.

This is a part of our series, ongoing series called How to Win the World and I have an awesome

first-time guest with us today so welcome Ben Garrett.

Man thanks for having me. This is exciting. We we met down very briefly at the rate response conference in Texas and haven't had any chance to kind of do some follow-up or any sort of ministry together.

So this is really exciting for me. I am I am an Ogden fan. I love

what you guys are doing down there. I love Haunted Cosmos. So thanks so much for

being on here and thanks for all the good ministry that you guys are doing.

Man, no, thank you.

Seriously, it just means the world that, you know,

guys like you at the Ezra Institute

and the stuff that y'all put out

would even, you know, care to look on us peons and Ogden.

So it's super humbling and I really enjoyed meeting you and I hope we can interface more and more so I'm just glad to be here.

Yeah, yeah, well hopefully we can work to that end.

This series that we've been going through called How to Win the World,

we've been looking at sort of just practical ways,

things that Christians ought to focus on,

ways that Christians ought to focus on, ways that Christians ought to think,

in order to engage the culture in a way that would win it.

And we've had some great guests.

We've talked to, you know, Pastor Doug Wilson about warring with our worship. We've had

Pastor Sierra Wiley on to talk about creating anti-fragual biblical homes.

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