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How To Win The War Of The Future - Joe Lonsdale - #934

Modern Wisdom

Chris Williamson

Society & Culture, Health & Fitness

4.65.9K Ratings

🗓️ 28 April 2025

⏱️ 96 minutes

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Summary

Joe Lonsdale is an entrepreneur, investor, and co-founder of Palantir Technologies. What is Palantir really about? You’ve probably heard the name, but what do they actually do, and who’s the brains behind it? Today, Palantir co-founder Joe Lonsdale joins to break down the company's origins, his story, and where the future of the world is headed. Expect to learn how Joe got Peter Thiel to mentor him, how Joe thinks about ambition and drive, how to avoid cynicism, the advice Joe has for people who want to become best at what they do, if Trump is a mastermind with these tariffs, the biggest problems Joe see’s with higher education at the moment, how to judge a good founder, what the future of warfare looks like, and much more… Timestamps: (00:00) How Joe Identifies Talent In Others (04:48) Lessons Joe Learned From His Mentor (09:39) Having The Skillset To Let Go (12:49) Avoiding Cynicism In A Modern World (16:38) Most Common Challenges Fellow Work Leaders Suffer From (19:10) What Motivated Joe To Co-Found University of Austin (26:42) Biggest Problems To Be Fixed In Higher Education (36:02) Should We Use AI In Education? (43:14) The US Tariff Breakdown (49:37) Concerns Over Global Stability (53:18) What Does The Future Of Warfare Look Like? (01:02:13) Will Human Personnel Remain Important? (01:14:30) Are The Great Men Of History Still Significant In The Modern World? (01:22:28) Research Into Astropolitics (01:27:09) Joe's Future Plans (01:35:04) Where To Find Joe Sponsors: See discounts for all the products I use and recommend: https://chriswillx.com/deals Get $350 off the Pod 4 Ultra at https://eightsleep.com/modernwisdom Get a Free Sample Pack of all LMNT Flavours with your first purchase at https://drinklmnt.com/modernwisdom Get the best bloodwork analysis in America at https://functionhealth.com/modernwisdom Get a 20% discount on Nomatic’s amazing luggage at https://nomatic.com/modernwisdom Extra Stuff: Get my free reading list of 100 books to read before you die: https://chriswillx.com/books Try my productivity energy drink Neutonic: https://neutonic.com/modernwisdom Episodes You Might Enjoy: This Is How To Master Your Life - David Goggins - #577: ⁠⁠⁠lnkfi.re/SN-Goggins⁠⁠⁠ How To Destroy Your Negative Beliefs - Dr Jordan Peterson - #712: ⁠⁠⁠lnkfi.re/SN-Peterson⁠⁠⁠ The Secret Tools To Hack Your Brain - Dr Andrew Huberman - #700: ⁠⁠⁠lnkfi.re/SN-Huberma - Get In Touch: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/modernwisdompodcast Email: https://chriswillx.com/contact - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

You mentioned you'd just been with Peter that I was explaining an idea from a friend earlier on,

0:04.6

George. He talks about non-fundable people, like N-of-Wans. Mike Isratel, good non-fungible person.

0:10.8

Yes. Who is some of the most non-fungible people that you've met across here?

0:14.7

I mean, of course, you know, you have to go with Peter Thiel and Elon Musk, but also people early in my life, my original chess teacher,

0:21.0

Richard Sherman, he passed a few years ago, but he was like an intelligence officer and he dropped

0:25.6

out. I think he faked his own death and he was kind of living in poverty, teaching chess,

0:29.8

and was like this chess master's sense who taught me Eastern philosophy. So I've had some interesting

0:33.6

crazy people I met over the years, you know, who I've really shaped my life. Talk to me about the story of how you saw Peter out as a mentor.

0:41.2

Well, Peter was the founder of the Stanford Review, and he was just someone who I thought

0:46.3

was just a fascinating intellectual character at the time. And, you know, honestly, what it was

0:51.1

also is tracking talent. And so I think that's something I've always been

0:54.3

interested in is what are the most interesting brightest harsh working people doing. And a lot of the

0:58.7

smartest people at Stanford when I was there were going to work at PayPal. And these are people I was

1:02.2

really impressed by. So I said, wow, this is really interesting. I want to get to know this group. I want

1:05.7

to learn from them too. And I mean, I didn't know at the time, of course, that it was going to be Peter Thiel and Elon Musk and who they are today and that all these companies would come out of it, like LinkedIn and YouTube and, you know, 16 others.

1:16.1

But I did know as a lot of brightest people and I wanted to learn from them.

1:19.6

And, you know, I had a very strong interest not only in computer science, but in economics, in history, and philosophy, which is all stuff that Peter's very interested in. So when we did meet, you know, through the Stanford review, I think you got along intellectually.

1:33.0

How do you come to think about identifying people with that talent and that drive?

1:39.2

It was something that helped you before you were successful.

1:42.3

And it's obviously something that you need to do now. You need assess founders you need to assess businesses uh yeah how everybody can pretend to not

1:49.8

be a psychopath for 30 minutes well it's interesting it's interesting because you said earlier where

1:54.2

we're off i'm not going to say you were saying it about but you know anyone who like there's the one

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