Hello again friends and welcome back to our podcast, Unlocking Your World of Creativity.

The podcast where we get inspiration from creative experts literally all over the world.

And more specifically we want to look at tools and methods and exercises to help stimulate

our thinking, organize our ideas and most of all make connections to get our work out

into the world.

And so today we're traveling to the Netherlands to the oldest city in the Netherlands 2,000

years old right on the German border and we're talking with my friend Kristoff Zern.

Kristoff it's great to have you on the program.

Hello Mark, thanks.

Unlocking Your World of Creativity with Mark Stinson.

We're talking with Kristoff Zern.

And Kristoff has a unique perspective from musicology, not only to use music, to think

about our ideas and to stimulate new thinking, but also use some music craftsmanship to

really organize the thinking.

He's got a lot of good creative techniques that use music as a projective technique.

So Kristoff let's just jump right into it.

This idea of music thinking as a creative tool, I mean I like music as much as anybody

else.

Musicians and artists on our podcast.

But what is it to think about music as a creative tool?

So I think the most interesting thing for me is patterns and pattern recognition.

And that's also interesting if you are looking for analogies between business music creativity.

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