The big question is, how am I going to have that conversation at the Christmas table or the Hanukkah table?

We're all going home for the holidays, but you don't want to show up with this shirt, not vaccinated and ready to talk politics.

You know, I don't think that's Thanksgiving.

I don't think that was the way to do it, but, you know, nice try.

Anyway, you know what I mean. These are

sensitive topics, but it's the most important thing we're going to do right now because we have

a vote that's coming up. We have things. We have, you know, an electoral season coming that will

decide how much Robert Kennedy Jr. is going to be able to do. How far down the road are we going to

get? We're only going to get there if we keep enrolling more and more people.

That's why I want everyone sharing an inconvenient study. Just go there, inconvenient

study.com, share the film. But how are you going to talk to your friends and loved ones?

Well, I'm joined now by Carrie Bigford, that that is exactly what you are doing.

You've got a program to help people talk about this somewhat complicated issue.

It's not somewhat complicated. It's very complicated. And we absolutely have to talk about it

because we won't succeed if we can't have this conversation. And fear is one of the

biggest barriers. I know that you've been in a long time, just like me. Have you ever had

one of your well-intentioned, thoughtful conversations go unexpectedly sideways with someone?

Never.

Well. No, but I know a lot of people that have. Absolutely.

Of course.

Never for you.

Right. You know, especially when you're starting out, when I first was, you know, traveling with Vax, every once in a while I would get myself into a position where I, you know, brought up a point that then gets used against me in a way I hadn't imagined. You don't do that twice. Yep. great if someone had like walked that road and had said, you know what, here's the mistake I've made, you don't want to make that mistake. Well, I failed forward. Great. And through lots of years of bad outreach, I developed excellent outreach. And my background is mental health. So one of the reasons why those conversations can go sideways on a difficult, polarizing, emotionally driven topic

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