And so just because you have a plan, sometimes as you get into the plan, you realize, yeah, this isn't going to work.

We're going to need to pivot.

And so for you and I, we've learned, you're more of a pivoter.

I'm more of a planner.

And so I've had to learn how to pivot a little better.

You've had to learn how to plan a little bit more.

There's all kinds of pivoting with, especially if you have kids, you've got to pivot constantly

because really your schedule is their schedule. You can align it to a point, but things come up,

sports, activities, all kinds of things during the holidays that you need to be able to pivot

and not get frustrated at them for it.

Kids get sick or mom or dad get sick. Okay.

There's also relational things that can come up that emotionally take you back and you didn't

realize it was going to happen like an argument or some sort of stress in a relationship with

extended family or marriage or whatever, friendship.

And you have to pause and take time to figure out how to pivot from that.

Well, hello.

Welcome to our Christmas collection of Ex-O Marriage Podcast with Mark and Grace Juskel.

And we have been doing a holiday series on pray, plan, and pivot. And we are on our third

series, third part of the series on pivoting. And we are both actually pretty good at this.

And I think we've both improved in it the longer we've been married. But pivoting is something

we're able to do. So in the first episode, we talked about praying, praying for and with your spouse,

way more prayer during the holiday season with a lot of the pressure and a lot of the work

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