How to Train Hard Without Breaking Down with Mike Robertson, Doug Larson, Dr. Mike Lane and Coach Travis Mash #850
Barbell Shrugged
Doug Larson
4.7 • 2.8K Ratings
🗓️ 27 May 2026
⏱️ 56 minutes
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Summary
In this episode, strength coach, educator, and IFAST co-founder Mike Robertson joins Doug Larson, Dr. Mike Lane, and Coach Travis Mash to talk about how serious lifters and athletes can train hard without destroying their bodies in the process. Mike shares his path from early T-Nation contributor to gym owner and longtime coach, explaining how his background in biomechanics shaped the way he evaluates movement, manages athletes, and builds training systems that support long-term performance. The crew also reflects on the early 2000s strength culture, the lessons learned from powerlifting, and why the best athletes often need a coach who can pull them back before ego, pain, or poor recovery catches up with them.
The conversation gets into the practical side of staying healthy while still pushing performance: using force plate data and velocity-based training to make better decisions, watching for early signs of breakdown, and creating different exercise "buckets" for days when the body feels great, okay, or beat up. Mike explains why loss of hip internal rotation, lack of movement variability, and constantly chasing load can eventually lead to back, hip, or knee issues, even if the athlete feels fine for years. The team also breaks down how to train around pain and injury, when to adjust instead of quit, and why smart movement, mobility, isometrics, sled work, and lower-stress training days can keep athletes moving forward without digging a deeper recovery hole.
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| 0:00.0 | Shrugged family this week on Barbell Shrug. |
| 0:02.9 | Me, Mike, and Travis talk with Mike Robertson. I was actually super stoked to have Mike on the show. I have a lot of respect for Mike. I said this on the show, but 20 years ago when I was in graduate school, I used to read his articles, him and Cressy, and that's Eric Cressy, Eric Cressey, Phil Hartman, Mike Boyle, Great Cook, all those guys that were on T Nation back in the day, |
| 0:23.5 | back when TNation was the place to be. And that's Eric Cressy. Eric Cressy, Bill Hartman, Mike Boyle, Great Cook, all those guys that were on T Nation back |
| 0:23.0 | in the day, back when T Nation was the place to be. |
| 0:25.6 | This is like back before YouTube was barely even a thing at that time. |
| 0:29.6 | Social media wasn't a thing in the same way at that time. |
| 0:31.5 | Facebook existed. |
| 0:32.5 | Instagram wasn't a thing at all. |
| 0:34.9 | These guys were writing articles and I learned a ton from them on the practical |
| 0:39.5 | side of training. I was learning the academic side of training or the academic side of |
| 0:44.7 | physiology and sport and kinesiology in graduate school, of course, but the practical side of |
| 0:49.6 | training, I debatably learned a hell of a lot more by reading their articles on T-Nation while I was at my, |
| 0:57.1 | it was like an internship at the athletic facility where I was doing all of the fitness assessments |
| 1:03.4 | and managing the personal trainers and all that. |
| 1:05.3 | And while I had downtime, I would just be reading articles on T-Nation on my computer. |
| 1:08.9 | And Mike was one of the guys I read |
| 1:10.9 | a hell of a lot of and I bought some of his products, including Assess and Correct and a bunch of other ones back when they would send you a CD back in the day. So I learned a ton for Mike. I got a lot of respect for him. He's a brilliant dude and I was really, really happy to have him on the show. So if you like lifting, especially lifting heavy, Mike was a powerlifter, and you're doing it in a very mechanically safe way, good technique, keeping your joints healthy for the long term. This episode is for you. Enjoy the show. Welcome to Barbell Strug. I'm Doug Larson here with Dr. Mike Lane and Coach Travis Mash. Special guest today, Mike Robertson. I didn't actually tell you this before the show, but dude, I was reading your stuff like 20 years ago. Let's go. When I was in graduate school, like I was learning my academic stuff, of course, but then also when I wasn't, when I wasn't learning all the work that was assigned to me, I was reading Teenation, I was reading I was reading your stuff and Cresie and Boyle and Great Cook and that whole crew back then. And damn near half the knowledge I learned in graduate school was reading cool articles like like you wrote. So I was actually super stoked to hear that you're going to be on the show today. So welcome to show, my friend. Oh, dude, first off, I really appreciate that. And man, I used to think Fridays were like the best day, not just because it was the weekend, but man, when those five Teenation articles dropped every Friday, I was like, let's go. New stuff, you know. Yeah, no, that was the heyday, man. I appreciate that. I was very lucky to get in there. And it was just good times, man, like different era, different era. I called it the education era. Man, I feel like everybody was locked in, wanting to learn and get better. And it was fun. It was fun. It was a good era. I was actually at the Olympic Trans Center with T Nation. Their office was out of Dr. Mike Leahy's office. Oh, yeah. |
| 3:08.7 | It's right by the OTC. I would train. I would walk down there and go hang out with Charles Pulligan. And then Tim Patterson, Antoinacen was upstairs. Dr. Leahy was up. It was the best. So you met the infamous Tim Patterson, right? I did. Yeah. See, I never met him. I was like, he was like, I like I don't know like Bruce Wayne or something you know like like this recluse and just did his own thing I never |
| 3:13.8 | met him he went I was like track track him I love it I love it all right well for |
| 3:22.7 | those that don't know you though though, if you give us a quick |
| 3:25.1 | rundown on your background, your childhood, how you got into lifting, competitive sports, |
| 3:30.4 | academics, the whole thing. Yeah, man, I'll give you a short version because, you know, |
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