How to topple dictators and transform society (with Erica Chenoweth)
The Gray Area with Sean Illing
Vox Media Podcast Network
4.5 • 11.1K Ratings
🗓️ 2 January 2020
⏱️ 48 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | The truth is, like you never know when your research is going to be really important to people |
| 0:05.3 | and because of that, we have to think through a lot of our own kind of commitments and |
| 0:09.4 | ethical obligations before we even get started. |
| 0:24.9 | Hello, welcome to the Clanchon, the Box Media Podcast Network. |
| 0:27.5 | If you've been listening for a while, you've heard somebody mentioned a bunch of different |
| 0:31.6 | episodes named Erica Chenoweth. |
| 0:33.2 | She was in the Varshani Prakash episode about the sunrise movement in the Wayne Shung episode |
| 0:37.6 | about direct action everywhere and animal rights movements to name just two of them. |
| 0:42.4 | But Erica Chenoweth is a professor at Harvard. |
| 0:44.3 | She studies resistance movements, both violent and nonviolent. |
| 0:49.9 | She's particularly known for books she wrote with Maria Stefan called Why Civil Resistance |
| 0:53.3 | Works, the strategic logic of nonviolent conflict. |
| 0:56.2 | She's written a bunch of books, she's gotten a new one coming. |
| 0:58.7 | Her work has been definitional in this space. |
| 1:01.8 | She's showing along with co-authors that nonviolent movements tend to work about twice as often. |
| 1:06.9 | As violent movements, she's done a lot of work trying to understand why different movements |
| 1:11.6 | work, why they don't, when they work, how they work, what they're targeting, what their |
| 1:14.9 | component parts are. |
| 1:16.4 | So she's not only somebody who's studied it from the macro picture, but particularly |
| 1:19.1 | in recent years, she's become somebody sought after to advise and consult and talk with |
| 1:23.7 | the people inside these movements. |
| 1:25.2 | So she also is a ground level view of them at a time when we're at a really remarkable |
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